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. let's bring in retired atf special agent in charge, nbc news analyst jim cavanaugh. jim, it's, it's a changing situation. but certainly it is a dramatic scene. it almost looks like a war zone, streets empty, we don't know how many officers are on the scene. but the tension seems to be remarkably high. there's some thought that perhaps dzhokah tsarnaev is holed up and is being negotiated with at this point. >> alex, that's exactly right. you know when you're in command of a situation like this, i always like to break it down to the main things that handle the main crisis points and address those. and there's three interlocking rings here that are affecting boston and the citizens. and that's what the commanders have got to focus on. one is the standoff with dzhokhar, we can talk about how that interlocks and what's going on there. the second is, the placement of another pressure cooker device in the city that they've located. and the question of are there more. and then the third interlocking circle is, whether or not there's these two accomplices, as pete williams described and ma
: that is a good point that jim makes. there is no filter. when i grew up the images were very tightly controlled and you are right with social media, that's all gone now. >> stephanie: -- i don't know if it is a good or bad thing. there were the images of people jumps from the world trade center and that was devastating. >> stephanie: yeah, and that's your point people are like everybody has already seen it >> yes, and you just make a conscious decision that you're not going to cross that line. and that stuff has been readily available, i'm sure jim knows some of the conspiracy theory websites that have been around for a long long time will have some of these graphic images. >> stephanie: speaking of -- speaking of which, i guess al jones will get the award -- it's a pretty low bar, but alex jones yesterday. >> this is a reporter from his website. >> [ inaudible ] is this another false [ inaudible ] civil liberties [ inaudible ]? >> no. next question. >> what was the question? >> stephanie: was this a false depreciation by the government to take away our civil liberties. >>
, mother jones has new research. this is shocking, jim. you will be shocked. new research confirms gun rampages are rising and armed civilians don't stop them. okay. we'll get to that. all of that stuff. >> stephanie: all of the stuff we've been talking about. because people like to say they don't have any -- yes we have facts! and statistics. all right. we'll get to all of that as we continue. 17 minutes after the hour. people carbonite. why? huh? why wouldn't you have carbonite just for the peace of mind alone. these days, everything we know or have is in our computers financial documents creative stuff, your music. >> videos. >> stephanie: right? you're busy. hard to remember stuff like that to back stuff up. remember you had to keep backing up. >> on floppy disks. >> stephanie: all the time. carbonite online back-up hassle free to back up your files. it backs up files to the cloud automatically and continuously when you're connected to the internet. carbonite does all of the work for you you don't have to remember to do it again. carbonite has a back-up plan that's right for you. $
people of color in the jim crow not just south of the north to map. >> in my book i talk about confronting and discussing with the president of "msnbc" in 2010 about pat buchanan and him being on that channel and saying you have a guy who is essentially friendly with white separatist, friendly with white supremacists. he has written a book that says america's diversity is its downfall. why is this guy in your channel? he said zero code you know he has a point of view that we should feature. .. [laughter] >> no thanks. you know, you bring up a good point. there's this fear about losing traditional america, well, they did lose it. thank god -- >> thank god. >> for some of us, right. you know, we don't have the jim crow signs, we don't have the lynching anymore. so we really did lose that traditional america that we never really had to begin, right? -- begin with, right? eric, i want to ask you, you know, race has -- you know, blackness has had a particular history with media where images were reality and, in fact, images and words supersealedded reality and in many ways still do.
in meteorologist chad myers and jim spellman. this flooding, widespread there. >> reporter: it's amazing how intense the rain was and how quickly some of these neighbors flooded. you mention almost seven inches of rain in 24 hours, they get three inches of rain on average in the month of april in the chicago area. too much for the ground to take. i'm on the edge of it, a foot from the deepest part. much worse inside the homes. i got a chance to go inside this home, there's a refrigerator and freezer bobbing, three or feet of water, but they could get another inch of rain here later today and into the evening. with the ground this saturated, that could be more flooding for these low-lying areas like elm hurst, john? >> more water they simply don't need, thanks, jim. >> chad myers, people there want to know when this is going to stop. tell us. >> it's been a tremendous amount of rain. i haven't seen training like this in a long time, but it does end tonight, brooke, to answer your question. it's like a train. think about a train on a train track, one car goes directly over where the other car
went off. former atf bomb investigator jim cavanaugh says it's obvious. >> large injuries were on the side of it, debris field to the left. some protected areas over on the right side that indicate the blast was to the one side of the trash receptacle. this was the scene of the blast. >> the fbi is considering publicly showing the pictures of the men they're looking for, and may do so later at a news conference today. >> pete, thank you very much. >>> drenching rain overnight in chicago. al? >> there are states of emergency throughout much of northern illinois into central illinois, because of the flooding they've gotten, the dan ryan expressway. it's a real mess there. chicago o'hare airport picking up over 4 inches of rain in the last 3 hours. in fact, airport reporting the terminal has actually had water on the floor. it's been flooding in there. still more heavy rain making its way through chicago today. it's going to continue to come down. we have flawed flood warnings much through missouri and illinois, and we're also looking for rainfall amounts anyway anyway to what the
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